Time will tell but maybe Olafur Ragnar Grimsson’s decision to stir things up in the IceSave matter will lead to a better deal for Iceland, and as a lesson to the world community that the global financial system has some extremely large holes which need to be addressed.
One thing is certain, if IceSave was only premium media material and political issue in Iceland until now, then that has changed. A glance at the world media reveals some thought-provoking and relevant commentaries on the whole matter.
The questions being asked might be one year late in the global discussion, is it fair to expect taxpayers to assume the debts of private businesses and financial institutions and how destructive is the power of debt to nations and individuals?
If voters in the US or the UK had been given a vote on whether their governments should inject trillions of dollars into their banks (in the form of loans, guarantees and investments), it is pretty likely that those referenda would have been lost.
Robert Peston at BBC, says that “We Are All Icelanders Now”
The Economist offers this perspective on international debt:
There is a recognised concept in international finance of “onerous debt”, which says that a population should not be responsible for debts run up by murderous or kleptocratic dictators. But it is hard to make that case for Iceland, a democracy that benefited from open markets in other countries to indulge in an acquisition spree. During the banking boom Reykjavik resembled a gold-rush town.
In a sense, however, the rights and wrongs of the case are neither here nor there. This is a classic example of what happens in a debt crisis. It is perfectly natural for the Icelanders to resent having to cripple their finances in order to pay “rich foreigners”. If they are unique, it is only that the costs of their defiance are clearer than normal. Fitch, a ratings agency, immediately downgraded Iceland’s debt and loans from international donors may be affected.
All too often in history countries have been allowed to become serial defaulters without suffering that much in the way of penalty. In “This Time is Different”, their book on financial crises, Carmen Reinhart and Kenneth Rogoff point out that Spain defaulted seven times in the 19th century and Portugal six. In the 20th century, European nations (including Russia) managed 16 defaults between them.
A more subtle way of getting rid of at least part of your foreign debt is to allow your currency to depreciate. This option is only available to the likes of America and Britain, which have been allowed to borrow in their domestic currencies and seem already to be exploiting this fact.
Creditors used to be alive to these dangers and insisted on international agreements that required countries to safeguard the value of their currencies. But this is mainly a world of floating exchange rates. Combine these with democracy and countries have a licence to abuse foreign creditors. They have always had the motive to do so. The credit crunch has given them the opportunity.
In an interview with Bloomberg today Olafur Ragnar Grimsson, revelling in his new-found role as the caped crusader against the big, bad international financial system hit home some hard truths about the wicked ways of the rating agencies such as Fitch Ratings which has downgraded Iceland into junk category:
“This rating agency that did that, Fitch, has a lot to answer for because its rating in the last two or three years has turned out to be completely wrong. That is the same agency that gave the Icelandic banks in 2007 and 2008 top marks and we here in Iceland were perhaps foolish enough to think that this was a respectable agency, but it turned out to be completely wrong.”
Seriously, why would anyone trust Fitch Ratings? Look at their record in Iceland in the last few years and the results. Convincing or Arthur-Andersen style of misunderstanding the purpose of its operations?
That must surely be applauded as a deserved blow to the pillars of the system which brought us here. Is it fair that the Icelandic people should be stuck with the bill off the excesses of bankers protected by an inept government? The Financial Times weighs in with an argument that it might not be.
It is hard to fathom the need to make an example of Iceland. For the creditors, the loans are trivial: they sum to €3.9bn, one-hundredth of what the UK alone will borrow this year and next. Neighbourly generosity would cost Amsterdam and London next to nothing. They are also not innocent victims. British and Dutch banks benefited greatly from the rules. Had they failed on the same scale, it is delusional to think their governments would take on hundreds of billions in debt to rescue foreign savers, and odious to force a weak neighbour to do the equivalent. From the start, Iceland has been under the gun. Loans from Poland, Nordic neighbours and the IMF depend on successful IMF reviews that in turn hinge on an Icesave solution. A lifeline-grasping application for EU membership is hostage to British and Dutch goodwill. Landsbanki showed that Europe must reform its rules to achieve stronger common standards. This will not be done by putting Iceland in a debtors’ prison.
The Lex team in the same paper though offers another altogether more sombre and realistic outlook. Is the deal on the table really unfair? And on that note, isn’t this what states expect individuals to do when in debt, pay at a rate which is determined by the market and offered by the creditor?
But if Iceland refuses to repay the €3.9bn debt, it risks becoming an international pariah.
It still need not come to that. Most Icelanders acknowledge, albeit grudgingly, that they have to meet their international obligations; the president signed an earlier loan agreement to that effect last year. But the UK and the Netherlands objected to some of its terms and demanded changes. The new agreement is hardly punitive: a 15-year loan, with a seven-year grace period and a chance to renegotiate terms in 2024. While the 5.5 per cent interest rate is higher than current British or eurozone borrowing costs, neither country is pocketing a juicy spread: yields on 15-year Dutch government bonds are about 4 per cent, while UK bond yields are half a percentage point more. Perhaps these details can be tweaked; ultimately, all three governments need to do a better job of explaining to their people the costs of rejecting a deal.
Also in the Financial Times, Michael Hudson points out the ambiguity surrounding the international laws on which the IceSave wrap up is supposed to be based. At issue is what the relevant European law says should be done – and, more to the point, what should have been done on October 6 2008, when Gordon Brown closed down the UK operations of Icesave, an online subsidiary of Landsbanki, Iceland’s second-biggest bank. Icelandic authorities were given no voice in how to resolve matters. Did the British prime minister let Iceland off the hook by jumping the gun in reimbursing depositors as though they were covered by UK insurance rather than following agreed-upon EU procedures? Under normal conditions Iceland, a prospective EU member that had signed up to European deposit insurance rules, would have availed itself of the right to settle with depositors in an orderly manner. Article 10 of EU Directive 94/19/EC gave Iceland’s Depositors’ and Investors’ Guarantee Fund (TIF) nine months to settle matters after the failure of a financial institution. Privately funded by domestic banks (unlike Britain’s public Financial Services Agency), the TIF collected only a paltry 1 per cent of deposit liabilities as a risk premium. The EU law did not anticipate a systemic failure, and hence made no provision for the government to be liable beyond its insurance agency. But the guidelines agreed by the Ecofin meeting of European Union finance ministers on November 14 2008 were clear: “These negotiating discussions shall be conducted in a compatible and co-ordinated manner and account will be taken of the difficult and unprecedented circumstances in which Iceland finds itself and the urgent necessity of deciding on measures which will enable Iceland to restore its financial and economic system.” So the broader issue concerns Iceland’s ability to pay 250 per cent of its current gross domestic product – some $20,000 for each citizen – to settle its Landsbanki mismanagement. The International Monetary Fund did not think this was a realistic option when its team calculated in November 2008 that: “A further depreciation of the exchange rate of 30 per cent would cause a further precipitous rise in the debt ratio (to 240 per cent of GDP in 2009) and would clearly be unsustainable.” What seems to puzzle the British is the lackadaisical approach that Iceland has taken towards the main perpetrators of the economic collapse. Remember the banking collapse of Iceland? That was what started the whole thing, and IceSave is only a small part of the mess the nation finds itself in. When the whole banking sector goes bust it is obvious that something wicked has been going on. While the US wheels off Bernard Madoff to jail, Kenneth Lay dies in prison and the Danes chase Stein Bagger until he is in jail, the only two people convicted of any financial misdemeanours in Iceland are two small time employees of Kaupthing. Archie Bland at the Independent for one is surprised at this. Consider, stranger still, the fate of those who cheerily paved the way for the bankers to bring Iceland to its knees. Chief among them is David Oddsson, the prime minister who oversaw the privatisation of the banks that led to the meltdown in 2003, and then went on to spend four years as governor of the central bank. If that transition seems unlikely enough for a man with no economic training, his more recent move is similarly perplexing: Oddsson is now editor of Morgunbladid, an influential national newspaper. It is as if Tony Blair had stepped down to succeed Mervyn King, only to jack it in in favour of the top job at The Independent. Sure enough, Morgunbladid’s treatment of the country’s finances has caused some observers to raise an eyebrow. In a regular unsigned comment piece and in the newspaper’s editorials, Oddsson has evaluated the state of affairs in a rosier tone than many can share. Yesterday was a case in point. As the country agonised over what most people have seen as a brutal foreign response to the news of the referendum, Morgunbladid saw things differently. “A harsh reaction abroad?” the editorial asked. “In light of the situation, the coverage has been incredibly positive.” Oddsson’s voice could also be heard in the assertion in his paper that no one abroad is shocked at what happened in Iceland – that people overseas entirely understand the difficult circumstances the government faced, and to suggest otherwise is simply scaremongering. Only slightly less remarkable than Oddsson’s story is the continued influence of one Hannes H Gissurarson, a professor of political science who was hugely influential in the staggeringly rapid liberalisation of Iceland’s economy. In 2001, he wrote a book with the memorable and possibly ill-judged title, How Can Iceland Become the Richest Country in the World? His prescription was to privatise everything, including the fish; it was followed to the letter, and we all know what happened next. And here he is in The Wall Street Journal yesterday, almost entirely unrepentant. “Many Icelanders are dismayed by the feebleness of the present Icelandic government,” he reports poker-faced. Gissurarson’s gobsmacking cheek, and the fact that so many of his countrymen agree, is perhaps a reminder of how short political memories are. But elsewhere in the piece he has a point that makes uncomfortable and plausible reading for British eyes. “A lot of the damage done can be directly attributed to the actions of the British government,” he writes. “Should the British not solve the problem they themselves created?” That is a distorted view of reality, of course, but not without a grain of truth; and British officials may reflect, as their repayments appear in jeopardy once more, that with a less punitive approach the whole thing might have been settled by now. Did the UK expect to find itself in a new “Cod War”? The Times awakens old ghosts from that dispute by bringing forth Roy Hattersley to describe the “Icelandic psyche”. The Viking myth is hard to shake, just as the fisherman myth. But this sentence offers a key to Icelandic foreign affairs in the last 60 years. I offered some minor concessions. The Icelanders made new major demands. Deadlock again. Henry Kissinger sent me a quotation from Bismarck. “How great is the tyranny to which small nations can subject the great.” It was no consolation. It is really hard for the UK to appear like anything but a bully when compared to the tiny nation of Iceland. Icelandic foreign affairs through the years are littered with major demands towards large nations. It is hard to argue over the last lolly pop when the other party is three years old and you are an adult and look anything other than silly in the process. Lets give the last word to Michael Hudson on the most peculiar thing in the whole story as fair as Icelandic citizens go: There is a special dagger hanging over the heads of Iceland’s homeowners: Mortgages and other debts are indexed to the consumer price index. For an import dependent country like Iceland, this means in effect the foreign exchange rate. Attempts to pay more foreign currency than the nation can generate in export earnings will cause the currency to depreciate. This will raise monthly mortgage bills for homeowners (almost 90 per cent of the population) whose wages are paid in local currency. Many will lose their homes. Many already are doing so. There is a moratorium on foreclosures, but it expires in February. A pragmatic economic principle is at work in such conditions. Debts that cannot be paid, will not be. At stake, therefore, is how much can be paid without wrecking Iceland’s economy. How many Icelanders must lose their homes as carrying charges soar on mortgages indexed to the exchange rate? Emigration is accelerating, and many foreign workers already have left. How many more must depart? And if post-Soviet experience of a steep and sudden drop in living standards is relevant, by how many years must Icelandic life spans shorten? Iceland’s government, opposition parties and financial institutions have so far offered little relief for Icelandic households which are indebted as no other households in the world. These parties are not willing to grant their citizens what they are asking of the UK and the Dutch. Fair negotiations and sustainable debt. Partly because IceSave hasn’t been resolved and it is hard to plan without it, but also because the people in charge of those parties are either of an age where they have little debt themselves (Johanna, Steingrimur and Geir Haarde) or billionaires born with a silver spoon (Bjarni Benediktsson and Sigmundur David Gunnlaugsson) or both (banking CEO’s). Olafur Ragnar Grimsson’s decision to play chicken with the UK and the Netherlands on IceSave might have paid off so far. But if it hadn’t then a plunging currency and trade restrictions would have severely affected Icelandic households. It is easy for politicians to gamble with other people’s money. But I would like to stop being a personal hedge fund like other Icelandic citizens and see some stability for a change. While I as a citizen am willing to accept my social responsibility for what happened in Iceland in the last decade, it is getting harder to convince my generation that there is a future worth pursuing in the country by the day. If you think that is a self-serving attitude, just wait until Barclay’s or ABN Amro start reeling. It appears that the way we collectively built our system, it just might not be as impossible as you think. Is the world finally taking notice that something really rotten has happened in Iceland at it might be spreading? Or will it be forgotten next week and we return to thinking bailouts are great and leaving bad governments alone.
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Boggi
2 years ago
I´m glad that you are starting to see pass the panic situation that non other than Johanna and sengrimur created on Tuesday, after the President´s desition, what your post mentions is exactly what I said right after the president sent this to a referendum. This is a time for iceland to change the balance to our favor, reject this agreement, and the brits and duthc will have to reconsider their possition, they can not isolate Iceland because then they will never get their money and what is more, they want more than that and we all know it, so they would not let Iceland sink. So dont worry, dont be afraid about “nobody wil want to make buisseness with us, nobody will like us, etc, etc”, its not true.
Boggi
2 years ago
Check also this link.
http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/2010/01/january-6-2010-iceland-or-size-matters.html
I belive tha president has put iceland in an exellent possition to take control of the situation, if we stan strong and reject this deal, no matter how much they try to scare us, we can end up with a better deal, even better than the one signed in August, I belive we wouldnt even have to pay the full amount.
Dadi
2 years ago
Boggi, today in Frettabladid economist Gauti Eggertsson and minister of commerce Gylfi Magnusson explain why the 5.55 % interest rates on offer for Iceland in the current deal are actually around 3-4% real interest rates.
There is also something there which few people have mentioned and I hadn’t realised myself, that IF ICELAND CAN FIND A BETTER RATE THEN IT CAN PAY UP THE ICESAVE DEAL AND GO WITH THE BETTER RATE! (caps on for emphasis, not to indicate you are deaf
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I don’t know…I only worked four years with a bank’s loan-department but that sounds like a mighty good deal to me. I cannot see the tyranny in the deal which has been used to heard people against it on tyranny’s account.
On the other hand, and that is really the question which I am asking and have been asking on this site for over a year now. Why do some states/individuals/businesses get their loans remitted/cancelled/lowered and others don’t?
And I hope you understand that while I am for any positive outcomes that might happen because of the president’s action, I am totally against one man shaping and deciding how one of the highest offices in the country behaves in the democratic process. Again Frettabladid today points out huge discrepancies in ORG’s statements on when and how national referendums should be used.
Blubber
2 years ago
Dadi: So we could have started paying this a long time ago, found a better deal and moved on to the next thing on the agenda?
Daði
2 years ago
Blubber…maybe? Interesting viewpoint from Sweden and Denmark today… what is the price of the international community’s trust towards Iceland?
We might get away with not paying or paying less but that hasn’t worked so well for Argentina for example. One Icelander professor found himself laughed at last year in Buenos Aires when he said “when you had the crisis” and was told that “there is always a crisis here, it never ends”.
Is that Iceland’s fate for the next couple of decades? A battleground of self-serving political parties?
That being said, I believe that the governments and financial authorities of the UK and Netherlands have to answer for allowing Landsbankinn access to their savers markets.
Vilhjalm A.
2 years ago
I think that Icelanders are making too much of the sympathetic articles towards Iceland in the foreign press and are overconfident of their chances of of having the Icesave debt renegotiated and adjusted downwards.
You can see that most of the sympathetic articles were written by the usual cast of “Friends of Iceland, eg Ann Pettifor, Michael Hudson, Eva Joly, Erik Bergmann / the Guardian & Independent, Latvia and Lithuania et al.
The British and Dutch and EU officials maintained their hard-line against Iceland. The Danes too have been completely unsympathetic and apparently the Finns also. The Economist – which represents the more mainstream view of international financiers did not really endorse Iceland’s position but merely suggested that it would not be unexpected that various debtor nations would try to escape their burdens.
The big powers in Europe are still completely opposed to any challenge to the existing regime of “creditors rights” and any compromises that might weaken compliance of EU/EFTA nations to EU rules. “Public policy” trumps justice, and especially so when the victim is weak and powerless — and friendless. And Britain in particular must adhere to the USA / IMF public policy that international debts must always be paid back in full.
There were a few bright spots, though, eg Norway’s unconditional pledge of 1.700 billion Euros, and the suggestion in the Financial Times that the Landsbanki assets alone should serve as “repayment”.
Perhaps though there may be some renegotiation of the most severe terms of the Agreement, for instance, the Ragnar Hall issue of splitting and double collection of claims above 20000 pounds, and the interest rate.
In my opinion the Icelanders should from the beginning have taken the position that Landsbanki was a bankrupt company and that it was brought down by officers and directors who violated EC rules regarding market abuse and officers and directors duties. For instance, iceland could have inserted a clause such as the following:
” Britain and UK are assigned all civil claims against the officers and directors of Landsbanki and shall make their best efforts to collect and prosecute such claims before proceeding to collect from the insurance Fund and the state of Iceland.” Along with another stipulation that waives the jurisdiction of Icelandic courts against such officers and directors (i.e. the Landsbanki insiders can be sued for civil damages in British courts).
The effect of this would be to force Britain and NL to try to collect from Bjorgulf & friends before trying to collect . After all, isn’t this what really happened? Bjorgulf And Friends siphoned the money out of Icesave and into their own offshore accounts, many of which are within British jurisdiction, ie in the Caymans and Tortola. The British could not be unreceptive to such arguments since they themselves had labeled a bank worker who single-handedly brought down a British bank in Singapore as a “rogue trader” acting outside his duties.
Another argument that Iceland could have raised was the fact that pound was trading at 60-80 per ISK at the time that the Icesave deposits were accepted and that that currency rate should apply now to the repayment from the government of Iceland. No, iceland never raised this point.
I can’t say that the British and Dutch would be open to full renegotiation but at least there may be a little compromise.
Also, I mostly agree with Dadi’s argument’s that ORG was acting out-of-line and that the Icelandic government is being hypocritical when it denies its own citizens equitable rights for debt reduction.
Steingrimur months ago should have gone in front of the EU council and made Iceland’s arguments point-by-point. Britain was not borrowing from foreign markets to pay for Icesave, since the debt was completely in pounds — in fact Britain created this money out of thin air by printing more pounds through “quantitative easing”. So how can they charge interest on that money, let alone 5-6%?! If Iceland loaned Greenland 1000 billion ISK, and created this loan by the Central Bank just expanding the money supply, could Iceland demand 5-6% interest? Of course not.
IK
2 years ago
On the issue of the supposedly absurd and punitive interest rate being asked by the UK, why don’t you pick up a copy of the FT and take a look at the UK yield curve? At the moment, the UK can borrow at around 4-4.5% at long maturities. And that’s in its own currency. It is offering Iceland–whose credit rating has hit junk and which cannot print sterling–5.5% for 15 years? Hardly that unreasonable to my mind…
IK
2 years ago
Furthermore, I’m not exactly sure what you mean by the British government being responsible for allowing Landsbanki to open Icesave. Iceland had regulatory responsibility for Landsbanki. Iceland was in the best position to know what the real situation of the bank was.
If the British government had blocked Landsbanki from opening Icesave in early 2008, the bank would probably have gone bust. Wouldn’t Icelanders then also blame the British government for causing their economy irreparable harm?
The British government appears to have trusted the Icelandic regulator’s judgement as to the soundness of Landsbanki. Perhaps that was Britain’s crime–to have trusted the Icelandic government to know what it was doing?
Boggi
2 years ago
Dadi, the problem in Icesave is not the 5.5% and even more the problem is NOT Icesave, the problem is: Icesave, Forign creditors(about140 Billion)IMF, Europe, that is the problem and notice that I say IS and not ARE because they are all and the same.
Lets go to the first point, the problem with Icesave:
The problem with Icesave is not ONLY the 5.5% interest, the problem is also the National garantee they are asking for, the acceptence by Icelandic gobermet of not takeing it to a neutral court, and that if the 5.5% of interest is on the 20,000 Euros per saver or the hole 50,000 that the UK decied to pay, all of this things, like the repoert from this lwa fir Iceland hired ti chrck the contract said: “are very dubious”
Now lets go to the second point: The problem is NOT Icesave.
Icesave is just a tool that FMI, Forign Creditors, Europe; are useing to get access to Iceland’s resources and companies and beeing able to manage some profit, remember that they are all the same, if they force Icesave with the condition they are putting, they will be able to do 2 things, lets remember that apparently if we accept Ucesave, confidence in forign investors will comeback to Iceland, so guess what thats exactly whatForing Creditors are looking for, so they will accept our resources and companies as part payment, then our goberment will sell us the idea with the help of the media that: Hedline: “foring investors willing to invest in Iceland” when in fact they are just giving away our companies to the Forign Creditores, through this artificial confidence in the market, they lift the forign currency restrictions, manege to take as much muney out as possible, and then after 3 years sell everything back,(keep some of the resources) and collapes the country again, but this time they have gotten out their money, everybody happy but we are with an unpayeble debt and absolutely no resources to stand up again. Like I have said it before, accepting or not accepting icesave wont change the outcome of the icelandic economy, the only difference is time, and the chance of having the hope of ever standing up again or not.
Boggi
2 years ago
I ment “report that this law firm Iceland hired to check the contract”
Boggi
2 years ago
What I’m trying to say, is that if we dont accept this deal, it will be very hard for Iceland, but we can always have the hope of getting back on our feet, but if we accept this deal, forget it, we will never get back un our feet, they will be able to sell to us some artificial sence of confidence, for a short time but thats all. So I say a better deal has to be negotaiated UK, and Holland have to sit back to negotiate and accept to better conditions. Because with this conditions is very evident that thei are looking to give a quick final blow to Iceland.
Dadi
2 years ago
I understand your concern Boggi.
Iceland is also the IMF, and we are part of Europe through the EES. Landsbankinn went to the UK and Holland to get access to European resources. They’re not pretty pleased at the outcome.
I think many people are not seeing the enemy within because of the enemy on the outside.
Blubber
2 years ago
We have done a pretty terrific job of manhandling our resources without the help of foreigners.