It is puzzling to an outsider that Iceland is already deeply integrated into European and other international treaties and organizations (including the European Economic Area, the Schengen border-control agreement, the Council of Europe [consisting of parliamentarians from more than forty European countries], NATO, the Nordic Council, the Arctic Council, the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, the World Trade Organization, and the United Nations) and has accepted the “sovereignty” constraints implied by these memberships.
But a strong political consensus has united groups across the political spectrum against membership in the European Union. Whereas most other nations have modifi ed their implicit concept of sovereignty to include as an important component the right to participate in international organizations and sit at the table where regional and global decisions are being made, a majority of Icelanders have stuck to an older notion of sovereignty as freedom from outside influence—freedom to remain “special” in the ranks of nations.
London School of Economics professor Robert Wade on Icelandic myopia.
This weekend, Left Green MP Asmundur Einar Dadason assumed the leadership position in Heimssyn, the organization apparently devoted to make Iceland into a cross between internationally secluded North Korea and tax haven Cayman Islands. Sorry, bad pun intended.
But seriously the organization’s goal is to keep Iceland out of the EU. And they just might win on that one. Asmundur is a government MP.
In the process they will use the romantic, relatively short lived, but dated idea of national sovereignty, of Iceland as a country that is “better”, “more special” and can take better care of itself on its own than the dirty foreigners(seriously, heard from a family man) who eat contaminated food(no, seriously heard from a former government official) and want to regulate bananas.
But without increased international relations, and massive foreign aid could it be possible that Iceland would still be a third world country? That is what it definitely was when my grandfather was born and was last defined in 1977, a year after I was born.
There is no romantic notion behind Heimssyn, apart from their propaganda. It is just talk to keep influence and power in society. It is easier without modern rules, laws and regulations. It would be impossible for them to devaluate the currency for the benefit of the richest at the cost of everyone else.
In 2009, there are still some people who are so xenophobic and myopic that they cannot see beyond their own garden. While other nations have moved forward with their concept of sovereignty to include the real world where they aren’t alone, Icelanders are still susceptible to the nationalistic rhetoric from the early 20th century.
EU is not a perfect organization, neither are all those above. But at least those nation who are participating there are doing so bravely by confronting an interconnected world by looking forward, not backwards.
And no, seceding to Norway or implementing a Cuban model in Iceland aren’t brilliant alternatives(both heard from college educated people in the last few months).
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Blubber
2 years ago
It’s weird. There are so many strong green parties in the EU, you’d think they would want to join them to put more pressure on green issues in Iceland.
Alexander E.
2 years ago
Dadi.
Simple question.
What Iceland will get from EU that it doesn’t have already?
Then I’ll tell you my educated opinion (not about Norway but about Cuba and EU)…
Dadi
2 years ago
Alexander. You asked what Iceland will get from EU that it doesn’t have already.
A sovereignty which allows it to at least have a say in its own and regional matters. Which it doesn’t today.
A currency that doesn’t regularly transfer the wealth from the people to the rich.
A farewell to price-indexation.
I could go on and on. But I guess you have an educated opinion waiting
Bromley86
2 years ago
Can’t speak for Dadi, but the simple answer is (1) the only real chance of a stable currency and (2) the likelyhood of not being a net contributor.
That’s without touching on the argument of whether the EU ideal is a good thing or not.
Blubber
2 years ago
After having spent a considerable amount of time in EU countries, I find that the arguments against Iceland joining (at this point, already following 80% or regulations etc.) are purely sentimental. No, the EU is not a great, or even a good, organization. But it’s where the party is at.
Alexander E.
2 years ago
What a mess in the head
“A sovereignty which allows it to at least have a say in its own and regional matters. Which it doesn’t today.”
As I recall Iceland got its 200 miles rights without any EU – just because captains of fishing boats were tough and fought like hell. And their voice was heard but “europe”.
These days EU is selecting its president – but I don’t recall anyone asked people of Europe to say anything about it (not saying about their right to elect).
With EU foreign minister Iceland would loose its voice completely. Who would care about opinion of 300,000 strangers living somewhere in North Atlantic?
You reject the right of “wisdom” for “national” assembly but you believe in “wisdom” of bureaucRats in Brussels? Few of them are capable to find Iceland on the map (even Google map).
“A currency that doesn’t regularly transfer the wealth from the people to the rich.”
So you believe that EURO is some magic money that make people honest? Dollars, rubles, pounds and kronas are bad money – and only good for rich people?
It sounds like meter is better than feet as it measures more precisely. Or results in longer length
“A farewell to price-indexation.”
How is this related to EU? And as I recall everyone was happy when indexing was going downwards
Lets’ say – theoretically – that Iceland has been in EU for a decade. How would this change the Icesave mess? Would EU pay the bill? When answering – keep in mind that Icelandic banks were following all legal procedures required by EU. They actually doing business in same way as Iceland was a member of EUssr.
So – please – go on. But try to skip Cuba and both Koreas (I’m sure you won’t like to live like people in SOUTH Korea).
Alexander E.
2 years ago
Thanks, Blubber – you hit the target!
“the arguments against Iceland joining … are purely sentimental.”
“…But it’s where the party is at.”
What if many “sentimental” Icelanders just don’t fell good about being the “poor relatives” at this party?
I have nothing against your expectations to get some free cheese there. But not all people are so “civilized” to accept free cheese as they used to getting their own cause they independent people.
PS. Many people in “new members” countries already realized – for them the party was over (and it was not planned for them actually).
Bromley should remember Kestas from Lithuania who was so excited about “the party”…unfortunately he stopped posting. I suspect he can’t afford Internet any longer
Alexander E.
2 years ago
2 Bromley
“(1) the only real chance of a stable currency”
I thought it’s only the state of country’s economy that makes its currency stable or not. Sweden keeps it kronas – and they are stable. Latvia is a member – but would you change your euros to their lats?
Rubles were hell stable in USSR – 20 years (maybe more but I was too small to remember) at 0.62 per dollars! Did it help much?
ISK at 190 per euro is stable now – cause it reflects REAL value of it
Currency is measuring tool only. Like tape. The stick doesn’t change its lengh whether you measure it in centimeters or inches.
“(2) the likelyhood of not being a net contributor.”
Didn’t get it. What does Iceland contribute and into what net?
“That’s without touching on the argument of whether the EU ideal is a good thing or not.”
North Korea is an ideal country – in terms of nature and landscape. But I doubt you agree even to visit it for a week without touching some “ideals”
Bromley86
2 years ago
>What if many “sentimental” Icelanders just don’t fell good about being the “poor relatives” at this party?
No problem. They can be the “poor neighbours”
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I don’t know enough about Lithuania to know whether it would have been better off with or without the EU.
Bromley86
2 years ago
>ISK at 190 per euro is stable now – cause it reflects REAL value of it
Nothing to do with the exchange controls then
. As someone has pointed out, if one Icelander winning a lottery prize can be expected to affect the exchange rate, then there’s a problem.
>Didn’t get it. What does Iceland contribute and into what net?
A a “poor relative”, you might reasonably expect Iceland to take more from the EU than it gives.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_the_European_Union#State_by_state_analysis
Alexander E.
2 years ago
>”No problem. They can be the “poor neighbours”
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I don’t know enough about Lithuania to know whether it would have been better off with or without the EU.”
Poor or doing well – it all depends on Icelanders not “kind uncle” in Brussels or somewhere else.
The main difference between Iceland and three “new members” (aka three Baltic states) – Iceland is a real country whilst these three have never been.
>”Nothing to do with the exchange controls then”
In one case you say it must be controlled/regulated (Icelandic “free” banks)
In other case you say – it must be let go wild (Icelandic money)
I think there should be balance between “freedom” and “controls”. At least VISA accepts that rate. Without controls crooks (aka international finance criminals) and local idiots would crash the working mechanism. You know very well what a panic among clients can do to a solid bank, don’t you?
>”As someone has pointed out, if one Icelander winning a lottery prize ”
This someone is an idiot looking at life through accounting records. Who believes that people spread derivatives over shares to eat. Who believes that indexes and ratings are as real as lamb and bread
>”A a “poor relative”, you might reasonably expect Iceland to take more from the EU than it gives.”
I appreciate you honesty, Bromley.
I knew that this is the major “reason” behind “the desire” but people try to hide it. Why? What’s wrong with that? It’s a basic instinct after all – to get more than to give. LOL.
Blubber
2 years ago
Alexander E.
Do I have an expectation of free cheese? I don’t recall making any such statement.
I expect that whatever Iceland gets will cost something, perhaps even a lot.
Alexander E.
2 years ago
Then I’m sorry Blubber, for my misunderstanding
But what would the other than free cheese reason then? Iceland is already part of euromechanism – but without expenses of the EU membership.
Except “EU will save us” sentiments I don’t hear any other logical reasons.
Blubber
2 years ago
There are many reasons – free cheese is not one of them(although, I like cheese, so if Brussels throws in some free cheese nobody will be happier than me
).
A more flexible exchange of cheese seems more likely.
The expense of the membership is outweighed by the benefit of being part of the decision making. Why would we willingly chose “taxation without representation”?
There is no one thing that will save Iceland, but the idea that there is such a magical thing is a big part of what has got us in trouble.
Alexander E.
2 years ago
>”the benefit of being part of the decision making.”
Blubber.
I highly doubt these guys will ask your opinion. As best they will inform you about their decisions…
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/11/19/article-1228994-074985EE000005DC-478_468x904.jpg
> “he idea that there is such a magical thing is a big part of what has got us in trouble.”
So now people believe in magic thing aka EU that got us out?
Blubber
2 years ago
Alexander E.
I don’t understand what you are trying to say with your link?
If people think the EU is a magic solution, they are wrong.
Everyone that I know who is for joining the EU is more than aware that the EU is fraught with problems of its own, but still think it is better than staying out of it.
Certainly, I don’t think the EU is magic, I think it is one part of many other things that Iceland should do to keep afloat.
Vilhjalm A.
2 years ago
Heimssyn lists “12 reasons to reject the EU” on their website:
EU would have ultimate power over Iceland’s natural resources
1) Joining the EU would be a betrayal of national sovereignity
2) The EU is a new superpower (which doesn’t care about its members wishes)
3) The power of little states within the EU is ever decreasing
4) Power in the EU is beaurocratic and not democratic
5) Iceland is distant from the center of power (ie EU won’t know about Iceland)
6) Unemployment is one of the key features of the EU (ie unemployment would go up)
7) the currency (the EU) would not be beneficial to Iceland given its economic troubles, and besides, Iceland wouldn’t get the euro for at least 10 years
9) the EU is going to become a military power
10) Iceland loses its fish and fishing rights
11) Iceland loses its ability to make contracts and commercial agreements with other parties
12) Heavy blow for Icelandic agriculture and farms
Not included in this list is perhaps the most important reason for not joining: the EU will act as enforcer for the demands of foreign creditors of Iceland (as was done in the case of Icesave). Also, the EU (and Euro) will force will Iceland to make harmful budget cuts (as Ireland has had to make) to the social-welfare system.
I don’t think these reasons are very compelling, except the last two (ie the EU would be an enforcer for foreign creditors and promote domestic austerity). The fish belong to the rich quota-holders or the foreign creditors, so giving up the 200 mile limit only hurts them.
Now here are some reasons I would put forth in favor of joining the EU:
1) Iceland is completely broke and bankrupt, for practical purposes. There are only two main things that are not owed to foreign creditors – the pension funds, and part of domestic real estate market. Nearly everything else in the country belongs (or will belong) to the foreign creditors, or is loaded with debt and bankrupt. There is nothing left to sell or exploit in the whole country. Right now the country is floating because it has not started to pay back debts yet. The EU will probably give Iceland some money, at least enough to survive.
2) the ISK is completely dead. It is a usable currency only because of strict currency controls (like the old East German mark). It would cost at least 10 billion euros to make it into a real currency. EU membership leads to the Euro. The Euro would provide economic stability, and indexing would be abolished.
3) the political system is completely dysfunctional. There is no justice in the country – the kleptocrats have escaped with their money and left everyone else holding the bag of debt.
4) the political and economic system is corrupt to the core. This corruption will never be removed unless some foreign body takes control of the country.
5) the IMF, the EU and Britain and Holland are more likely to forgive Iceland’s debt if everyone belongs to the EU
6) the worldwide depression has stopped temporarily due to massive financial stimulus, but it is only a matter of time before the system starts to crash again. You need friends or allies in a crisis.
7) Joining the EU is slightly better than the alternative, ie slowly starving to death and becoming the Serbia, Albania or Cuba of the North Atlantic
Alexander E.
2 years ago
2 Blubber
> “I don’t understand what you are trying to say with your link?”
I just showed you the faces of two sustainable bureaucrats appointed as CEOs of EU Corp.
Appointed in truly soviet style – by members of “politbureau” of Europe (you have to believe me about polit(ical)bureau).
And one more link
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/11/19/article-1228994-07498DD1000005DC-996_468x371.jpg
Look at two people on the right.
Estonian prime minister Andrus Ansip (top right) – former First Communist Party Secretary in Tartu (believe me – the guy had to kiss many asses to get to that privilege job that time)
Lithuanian president Dalia Grybauskaite (low right) – from Wiki
“she moved to the Vilnius Party High School, where she lectured in political economy and global finance. In 1988 she defended her Ph.D thesis at Moscow Academy.”
There is one word omitted though – Vilnius COMMUNIST Party High School. A special kind of “university” just for communist party bureaucrats.
And Moscow Academy was indeed and Academy – of Soviet Economy
So do you want to be a part of it?
And here is a free cheese (from Vilhjalm A.)
>”The EU will probably give Iceland some money, at least enough to survive.”
Cheers.
Blubber
2 years ago
Alexander E:
I might believe you if I hadn’t spent years living in the EU.
And if it weren’t for those irritating, democratic elections to the EU parliament.
Finding a politician in a former eastern block country who wasn’t at some point a card carrying member of the communist party is a generational issue.
More importantly; what has that got to do with the EU?
Alexander E.
2 years ago
>”I might believe you if I hadn’t spent years living in the EU”
I’ve never lived in EU cause I don’t know such country. What I noticed – Denmark is different from Sweden, both are different from Holland and all three are hell different from France. But these four has little if any common with Latvia.
>”Finding a politician in a former eastern block country who wasn’t at some point a card carrying member of the communist party”
These two were NOT just MEMBERS
And in Baltic states not so many got the cards as you think. And if after all that they couldn’t find anyone better – does it mean that communist managers are better than “democratic” ones? 
But of course they have nothing to do with EU – they were just invited for the party…
Blubber
2 years ago
“I might believe you if I hadn’t spent years living in the EU.” = Meaning a few different countries within the EU.
It is still very unclear what you are trying to say by bringing up politicians who were communists in their youth.
Alexander E.
2 years ago
>”“I might believe you if I hadn’t spent years living in the EU.” = Meaning a few different countries within the EU.”
then you better say what countries you spent time in. Don’t you agree that Greece is not Norway?
>”politicians who were communists in their youth.”
In their 40-s – still youth for you? Then you might be in your 70-s now
)))
I have no point – just providing additional info about the Free Cheese Party.
Blubber
2 years ago
Alexander, I completely agree with you, you have no point.
Alexander E.
2 years ago
I know that, Blubber. So what’s was the point to tell me what I know?
Tell me something about the EU country that I DON’T KNOW;-)
Io
2 years ago
So!
Regarding influence, an Icelandic representative will rise, give a speech and the EU wil bow its head and accept?
If it weren’t so serious, this would be a joke.
All the best
Io
Bromley86
2 years ago
Of course not Io. But that same Icelandic representative will wield far more influence than the population of Iceland fairly deserves. Is that enough to placate Icelanders? Probably not.
Are you seriously suggesting that 300k people should be able to dictate (which is the essence of what you’re saying) to 500m?